Bookie Brunch- 27th November


Welcome to the Bookie Brunch
So sorry its up soo late, I was having issues with the Internet connection.
So today Sasha Soren and I bring to you Bookie Brunch (its almost dinner time now on my end of the world!) this Sunday! 


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Your Host today will be:

Kiwi 

 and my Guests today will be..

Jodie Lane from Booksforcompany
Lizze from Elizziebook.com
Christina the vlogger
Peep from Attack of the Book
Michelle from Book Briefs


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The Question:
 Are relationship-oriented dilemmas (girlfriend-boyfriend relationships, to be specific), important for the success of a novel? 
Related topics to consider: An example of a book without this particular type of twist, that's still a page turner of a story?


I've got two guest over on time, the rest shall arrive shortly. Until then, let us begin. Feel free to join the discussion. Pull up chair, grab a drink and some food and type in your inputs in a comment.




Jodie

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This is one of those questions which I feel has a simple answer - It depends on the book.
I actually read a book recently that I felt only had a romance in for the sake of the romance. I didn't feel the romance was real because everything was so rushed, why did they suddenly get those feelings for each other? It  just isn't real.
Whereas I feel some books wouldn't be the same without the romance and probably wouldn't be as successful. For example I recently finished Wolfsbane by Andrea Cremer and feel that a big part of this book is the love triangle. I am really gripped by this book because I am intrigued as to who Calla will choose and her feelings. 
So in conclusion I think it totally depends, if the author feels the book doesn't need romance then don't put it in! I feel readers (well I do!) will dislike a book if the romance is just put there for the sake of it. It must be a real, heartfelt romance between the characters which must show through the authors writing.

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Lizee


(she hasn't picked out her choice of beverage and food for the brunch..yet..)

Since I read mostly Young Adult fiction, I'll be taking these

questions from this perspective.

It really depends on the focus of the novel.  If you're reading a
coming-of-age novel, addressing romantic relationship dilemmas is a
part of the spectrum of dilemmas one may face as a young adult.  Most
young adult novels deal with relationship dramas of some sort, whether
they be romantic, family, or friendships.

I can name a boat load of books that use romantic dilemmas to put a
microscope on a character's faults and helps show how the character
still needs some growing up.  I wouldn't call it a twist, but it is an
important part of these books.

Anna and The French Kiss by Stephanie Perkins
Lola and The Boy Next Door by Stephanie Perkins
The Lonely Hearts Club by Elizabeth Eulberg (which is ALL about relationships)
An Abundance of Katherines by John Green (about a guy who has dated 19
girls named Katherine)
Shiver series by Maggie Stiefvater
Confessions of Georgia Nicholson series by Louise Rennison
Scott Pilgrim series by Brian Lee O'Malley (Fighting the evil exes
count, right?)
Bermudez Triangle by Maureen Johnson

Cannelle et Vanille: Food Styling _ Photography in La Dordogne, Part 1


So we've been joined by Peep
 and her delicious batch of Pumpkin Bread
("Up until about 3 years ago I had never tasted it. I had no desire to because it didn't sound good. At all. Now that I've tasted a good batch, it's hard to resist. It's so yummy!" - Peep)

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Hmmm, if you had asked me this last year I would have said no. I would have said that it's more of a gimmick to keep the reader engaged. Now that I have been reading more and more books I can see how important it is to the overall storyline in a romance novel. Let's face it, it would be kind of boring if they just met and fell in love and that was the end of the book. It doesn't have to be something over-dramatic, just something that will make them realize how awesome they are for each other. If the romance is not the main point of the story (for example, the main character is trying to make a cross country trip), then I could do without the romance drama. I don't think it's important at that point. If I were reading that story, I'd rather read about her getting stranded at a rest stop because the car was stolen, rather than them getting mad at each other. Wait, unless he's her ride and he leaves her stranded, then that solves both problems!

One thing I do not like, and don't think is important at all, is a love triangle. I hate those with a passion! I know there are some people who love them or don't mind them, but not me. I've given up on books because of love triangles. I get mad and feel bad because I know that at least one guy won't get the girl he wants. 

I can't think of a single one (example)! Unless it's a novella. I searched but couldn't think of one. Maybe I didn't try hard enough...

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and Michelle
with her glass of cold OJ and...("I'm just getting over a cold so a nice big glass of cold orange juice would be great! And maybe a croissant and some bacon haha"- Michelle) 

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Thank you for including me.

I've thought about my answer to this question a lot. Initially, I wanted to say that relationship centered dilemmas were not needed for stories at all, but the more that I thought about it, the more I saw how integral they are to most books. I read mostly ya, and it seems like almost all that I can think of off the top of my head have some sort of relationship drama. At least a little. Even in the books that end happily ever after, they had some sort of problem.

I think it is helpful to divide books into two categories however. I would divide them into contemporary and paranormal. I think relationship centered dilemmas are even more crucial in contemporary books. They are more focused on realism and teen issues, relationship issues being a main one. I think that's why you see so much relationship centered dilemmas. There has to be some strife to keep the books interesting. 

However, I did think of an example of a paranormal/magical book that did not have a relationship centered dilemma and was certainly a page turner. The first and second Harry potter books! I can't include the whole series because relationships and inevitably problems developed later on when they got older but in those first two books there really were none.

I think that some paranormal books can get away with it because they have a lot more to focus on. They have magic and other worlds and other creatures that the focus doesn't have to be on relationship problems. But again, most ya books will still have them because that's such a common theme. 

Thanks this was fun!

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My thoughts..

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This question struck me while reading Wintergirls by Laurie Anderson. The entire book kept me engaged until the end, despite lacking a romantic relationship (the brief chemistry between Lia and Elijah was just some plain chem, nothing else). I am currently trying my hand at a novel/story in which I've introduced "the boy" and "the girl" but I am still trying to decide whether they should be involved or not.
Today, a majority of the books seem to HAVE to include a little lurrrve. Especially YA, a vamp boyfriend, a fallen angel protector, a charming bad boy, a sweet and understanding but neglected boy, and so on, the list is endless. The point singular- female authors letting their imagination wild. LOL. Just kidding *laughs*
I think Love sells, everybody ALWAYS wants to hear about how "that girl and that boy" hooked up. If its in a book and their working together its a "so-kiss-already". Eventually the plot ends up relying on them. For example their romantic speed bump pauses the progress of the mission at hand (he kissed another girl so no saving the world from the wrath of the dead until he apologizes!). 
I am a sucker for love stories, but there is only so much I can handle. It can get tiresome when all stories end up with love getting tangled up.Sometimes a good ol plot without all that romance is good, like a thriller novel or romance.
But on some levels, I guess that is just how human relationships work. All authors have to establish a setting, connect with their reader and give the character personality and depth. I guess the most important relationships are the boy-girls ones. Like a guilty pleasure (for some) and a habit for the rest- gossip.
That was some tangent, but concluding my answer, I think not. But sadly, I also think the opposite is true. Today's Best Sellers are an illustration of it- Twilight, Percy Jackson, even Wimpy Kid has a thing for Heather. Though I could use those self- helps and cook book to justify otherwise. *grins*.


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Thank you so much fellow guests for coming over and my audience for today's brunch. Here is some  "Goodies up for grabs" for my loverlee reader.

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About: Delightful boxed set of illustrated note cards featuring writer
Charlotte Brontë (Jane Eyre) and her sisters; her sisters were
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Comments

  1. This is an interesting question. I found myself thinking about some of the books I've been reading recently, and some have romance and some don't. For example, I'm reading the newest William Monk book by Anne Perry, and there's no romance there. But, I'm also reading The Space Between, which is a YA book --- not far enough in to determine if there's any romance/relationship yet.

    I agree with the other commenters, that it really depends on the book, and how the storyline is set up. (Lizee -- love the list!) For some stories, it's driven by the relationship between two characters, and how they react to things. In other books, relationships don't matter too much, or don't drive the story at all. Either way, if it's done well, I don't really notice it that much --- I tend to get stuck when romance just seems thrown in there, or the characters don't relate to each other in a believable way.

    Can you tell I'm sipping on a caffeinated beverage? ;)

    Jo Liquidityoftime @ gmail.com

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  2. Hmmm...there was a time i really wanted to read books with romance in but after some point lately, i don't mind if there is nothing. Actually a reason i like epic fantasy is because most of the times, the romance is small and in general everything feels more in balance.
    Of course it always depends on the book and the best romance is always the one you did not expect.

    Lately i've read The Emerald Atlas which is a middle grade book, and have no romance at all. Still it was one of the best books i've read this year. Same goes for the the YA book, Don't Fear The Reaper, where while there is a boy and girl story, the author don't force the romance and it's almost like it doesn't exist (well i think i will see something at the next book, or i hope..LOL)

    giota22@msn.com

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  3. yes, i feel relationships between characters do attract me in a story. even side relationships apart from the main storyline capture my attention and can draw me along.

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  4. This is my first time here (loving the piccys but feeling rather hungry now!).

    I'm your newest follower

    Lainy http://www.alwaysreading.net

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  5. I like books reading about romantic relationships when they are an integral part of the story or they are meaningful in some other way. I don't like romance put in the book just because it sells, especially because in such a case the author often deals with the relationship sloppily and would therefore better avoid it altogether, in my opinion.

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  6. This was a great question for me -- it's one I would have brushed off as inconsequential but as I sit here trying to think of an answer, I realize it's quite complicated for me! So thanks!

    I'm of two minds -- I suppose it depends on the genre I'm reading. I'm a huge fan of historical fiction, and very often, in stories about historical female figures, men impacted their lives more than other historical events (they weren't becoming King, for example, or leading troops to war). So in that case, the heroine's dilemma, say, the socially appropriate marriage versus the romantically motivated marriage is intriguing and rather crucial. Or -- more interesting for me -- are the stories deliberate over multiple partners. Sandra Worth's Pale Rose of England was a fabulous story -- I loved the two main leads -- but the husband dies at some point and the heroine falls in love again. As it is historically true, I don't expect the author to fudge that fact, but I was totally resistant to the heroine falling in love again -- so I was delighted when the author made the subsequent relationships as compelling as the first. (In this case, this woman had four husbands!)

    In YA fiction, I also expect a compelling relationship tangle -- I know when I was a YA reading YA fic, I wanted my heroines to have raging hormones and more access to boys (and girls) that I had -- so I liked stories that had romantic entanglements.

    Weirdly enough, I find myself getting kind of impatient with romantic entanglements in paranormal fiction. Maybe it feels too trite at times? As in all books, I have to care about the characters to be invested in a romance, and for some reason, that's the hardest for me with a lot of urban/contemporary paranormals.

    Thanks for the fabu question and lovely giveaway -- it's been enjoyable reading the other responses!

    audra
    unabridgedchick at gmail.com

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  7. It's not just the relationship between the characters, but outside influences as well. What is drawing characters together & what is pulling them apart?

    Loved the post thank you.

    marypres(AT)gmail(DOT)com

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